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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon stripler join me as i

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examine

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unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations of remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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i'm your host lon strickler and i thank

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you for joining me here on the

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paranormal king radio

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network now before i introduce my guest

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i want to mention an account that i re

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recently received the uh the eyewitness

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i just went to my high school reunion

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and chatted with my old neighbor and

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best friend ash

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she said do you remember that pig-faced

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monster we saw

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i looked at her was shocked as a

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horrible memory flooded back

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i must have been so terrified i blocked

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oh yeah i remember uh we used to live in

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a secluded dirt

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road well in the middle 40 acre plot

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away from the road

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our property joined a huge state park at

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the back 25 miles from the nearest town

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in missouri

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we were about 13 so it was around 2013

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excuse me around 2003. we were

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babysitting our younger siblings so it

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was us

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and the four younger ones our parents

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are out for the night obviously we're no

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strangers to the woods

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we knew the whole property well and we

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even walked to two miles between our

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houses

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i guess we were free range kids

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so it's way past dark but we have a pool

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the house it's summer so it feels great

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we were all playing tag or hide and seek

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i ran around the corner of my house and

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i saw something white

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like a flash run behind the propane tank

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than the well house our backyard was

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clear beside the

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the small whale house of propane tank

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the woods were probably 150 yards away

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so not a lot of places for an animal to

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ash saw it too the kids were still

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playing and

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we thought it was was a stray dog even

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though this thing was crazy fast way

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faster than a dog

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fear anything in the woods we don't have

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large predators so we're like oh poor

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dog let's check it out so we sprinted

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around to the well house and see

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crouched white

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thing i remember its hands were

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long fingered and it was matted dirty

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comprehend its face but it had this long

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and no hair on his face like a snarling

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dog pig i don't really remember

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the eyes but i i think they were black

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all i know is it looked evil and

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i hadn't known now at that moment we

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screamed and ran

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and the thing dashed off into the woods

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as it looked over my shoulder

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the kids hear us scream and know

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something is wrong we scream at them to

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get into the house and lock the doors

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i couldn't keep my eye off the back

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window like i said i want to see it but

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we were just scared pumped with

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adrenaline couldn't even speak about it

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finally and i talked with ash

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and she said that the same same she said

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home and we broke down

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freaking out crying pointing to the

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uh because we were so adamant about it

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tired or something we didn't tell

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anybody at school and never brought it

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now after the reunion i asked my brother

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remembered that night

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we saw a monster in mom's old house he

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said no and i started talking about how

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i forgot about it until ash

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interrupts me and they asked

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have a face like a weird dog i nodded

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his eyes got big and he basically

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started yelling oh my god i saw the same

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thing down the road here a few years ago

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and freaking out visible goosebumps on

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he said he was driving the dirt road

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with his girlfriend at the time

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uh like you know hauling ass like he

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real rocky patch he would hit the brakes

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he saw something in the headlights

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standing about 10 foot from the ditch

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so still he thought someone put on a

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weird put out a weird statue or

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it dash away

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into the trees he asked his girlfriend

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she saw and she just nodded

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and never spoke at her again he never

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he said he kind of blocked it out until

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i brought it up

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at you know with the monster at mom's

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i did stop playing in the woods after

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that day in 2003 started doing sports

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my brother and i are creeped out i think

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i need to call my mom

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so i don't know what they ran into i

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that was quite interesting story so

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let's get started tonight's guest

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is lyle blackburn there's a

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cryptozoologist

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author and musician lyle has written

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several clean books including the beast

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of boggy creek

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and the lizard man whose subject matter

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reflects his lifelong fascination with

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legends

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and citing reports of unknown creatures

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lyle is also the founder of the rock

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band ghoul town

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columnist for the horror magazine rue

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morg

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and the narrator producer of documentary

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films as

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such as the mothman point pleasant foggy

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creek monster and the bray road beast

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lyle is a frequent guest on radio

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program such as coast to coast am

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and has been featured on numerous

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television shows airing on

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animal planet destination america

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e now when lyle isn't writing books

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hunting monsters are performing with his

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he can be found speaking at various

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cryptozoology conferences

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and appearing at horror conventions

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so lyo it's great to have you on the

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show thanks for joining me

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you bet good to be here now

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could you tell the listeners how you

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became involved in investigating the

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strange and unusual

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well uh probably like a lot of us you

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into the subject matter ever since i was

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a kid and you know started by

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reading books and watching documentaries

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and and so forth

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you know had grown up i'm adult and i

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started kind of looking into

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the these phenomenons with a kind of a

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approach you know like you know what's

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true what's real and

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conferences and getting out there and

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some bigfoot research and through that

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um you know kind of gave me the drive to

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to want to look into it myself and i had

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always been a fan of the old movie the

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legend of boggy creek

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and that was a you know kind of a

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bigfoot style documentary that came out

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so we ended up i i was working for the

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magazine room org and i've been a writer

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in addition to a musician i thought may

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it'd be great to write a book

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and i thought well what is my favorite

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subject you know so

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i thought man the legend of boggy creek

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it's you know supposedly true

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accounts made into this um cult classic

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film and so i set out to

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you know begin research interviewing

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uh for that book and that uh that book

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well received and that sort of set me on

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a path to continue that

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and you know start interviewing more

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witnesses and

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uh researching other cases and looking

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into things like that and that's been

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involved in this so you are well known

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for documenting the falc monster and the

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bigfoot activity in that part of

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arkansas now have there been any recent

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signings and activity that you can

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report on in the area

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uh yeah there's you know that and that

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book but as it turns out there's

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even now every uh several months or so i

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what i consider a fairly credible

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sighting the most recent i got

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was literally from a couple of months

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ago in which a couple of residents were

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driving

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along highway 71 which is kind of the

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old highway between shreveport and texas

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canada that passes right through falc

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and the the witnesses said

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they saw something upright run across

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the road

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um you know with a few strides it was

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big it was fast

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and they continued on and they looked

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down

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to their right which is a long stretch

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of road i'm familiar with

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and they said they could see it clearly

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running down this road heading towards

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this wooded bayou and the way this the

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speed in which it was moving

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the shape and the the fact that it

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appeared to be covered in hair

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led them to believe obviously that they

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were seeing

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you know perhaps the fount monster and

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they were kind of scared so they didn't

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turn down

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that road but then a short time later

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decided to turn around and come back and

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take a look and when they got there

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the thing was already gone uh which

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uh would have been all of this would

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have been quite difficult for a person

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and i always look at it this way if you

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know they saw

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something and they obviously was

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something running across the road and if

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it was running

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upright on two legs and you know it

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wasn't a

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you have two possibilities

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it's a it's a unknown creature or

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somebody pulling the hoax and so i can

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rule out the hoax probably because

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a person could just not move that fast

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you know in a clunky costume and things

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like that so

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that that's been the most recent

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sighting and i i i actually

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uh kind of did some a little background

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check on these

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these individuals because uh i know a

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lot of people in the area and everybody

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just vouched and said hey you know if

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they

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absolutely did so i felt like

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it was a pretty good signing

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so the the signings in the the falc area

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uh even all around that part of eras

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arkansas are they are are the

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descriptions

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you find from bigfoot around the country

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or is it something about the southern

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bigfoot that distinguishes it from

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everything else

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uh i think in general

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it it you know it fits a fairly

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uh consistent profile which somewhat

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matches

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the reports you could find all over the

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country but um

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people that i i guess get a better look

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or closer look

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often describe it as being more

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hairy uh the hair is a little more

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scraggly

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um it's a little more ape-like and and

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in some cases i've had witnesses say it

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almost

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seemed to move on all fours and then

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would stand upright and

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you know without having a obviously

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specimens here to compare

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a to b i do see some unique

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characteristics

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that are consistent here in the south

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and you get that all throughout like

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from the arkansas

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area to uh east texas and over

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uh you know towards florida and places

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like that they tend to

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carry on these characteristics but

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you know interesting to say the least

380
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well you know i look back at the history

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of the

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the beast of boggy creek and the story

383
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itself

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uh do does this

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these bigfoot in that area seem to be

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more aggressive than others

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um you can find aggressive accounts

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you know kind of all over but

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particularly

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in the south i wouldn't say that the

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fout monster is any more

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or less aggressive than say skunk ape

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encounters in florida

394
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or things like that but certainly

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the south in general um and i i'm

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in my book beyond boggy creek which i

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kind of cover about 10 states of the

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deep south

399
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i did see a kind of a theme where you

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would have

401
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you know the majority of the sightings

402
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are just you know the quick glimpses

403
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somebody

404
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saw it running across the road or a

405
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,639
hunter saw it but

406
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you know every so often you have those

407
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encounters where the creature would

408
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display

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aggressive tendencies and um you know

410
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perhaps that's

411
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the environment i mean it's

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it's fairly hot animals have to be more

413
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territorial because there's not as

414
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large tracts of forestry here as there

415
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is

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uh for example in the pacific northwest

417
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so you have

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uh you know swampy areas got these like

419
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swamp dwelling bigfoot so you know

420
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naturally i think they would be

421
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a little more um armory perhaps than

422
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their northern counterparts

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uh now you've been involved with the uh

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with the

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museum in in falks

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or starting a museum is that right

427
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well there's there's a store there

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called the monster mart which is

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when i first started going up there to

430
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do research you

431
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walked in there and there wasn't much to

432
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see there was kind of there was an old

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mural that was painted on the outside

434
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and like literally a bulletin board with

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a couple of old newspaper prints

436
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and ever since my book came out i kind

437
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of

438
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built a relationship with the folks

439
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there in falcon particularly

440
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the owner of the monster mart it's now

441
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:08,079
been transformed

442
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:09,600
into like the coolest looking

443
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convenience store with a

444
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giant bigfoot coming over the top i mean

445
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and we've slowly built up more of them

446
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:20,079
you know a museum there's glass cases

447
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where i've got

448
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:23,600
some of my personal collection items

449
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:25,360
displayed there's a bunch of tracks

450
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:26,480
there

451
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:28,639
you can see posters and pictures of the

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area

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so you know there's no charge for it if

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you show up at the monster mart you just

455
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:37,600
uh you know trying to offer somebody

456
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:39,199
trying to offer things to see because

457
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people come from

458
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everywhere you look at the little log

459
00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,240
book and uh you can see

460
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people from every single state in other

461
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:47,759
countries who are

462
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who literally come there on the basis of

463
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,720
their interest in the legend of boggy

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creek wow

465
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,440
i imagine somebody who has no idea about

466
00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:00,399
the bigfoot let alone the falc's monster

467
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,560
is kind of intimidated when they walk in

468
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:04,720
there then

469
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:06,799
yeah if you if you didn't know anything

470
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,240
about it you'd be like

471
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:10,000
what is all this what is the

472
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,559
significance of this creature and

473
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:15,199
it you wouldn't it wouldn't take long to

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to

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00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:18,240
you know get a quick synopsis because

476
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everybody there is very friendly and

477
00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:23,120
knowledgeable and the store owners would

478
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:23,839
uh

479
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,120
bring you up to speed quite quickly

480
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:30,080
so um it seems that you've got another

481
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book

482
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,679
coming out soon in reference to i i

483
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guess you would call it

484
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another southern monster maybe a border

485
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border state monster uh with the momo

486
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can you talk about that a bit yeah i

487
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:45,679
just

488
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kind of dropped an announcement about

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this yesterday um

490
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i suppose i have an affinity obviously

491
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for these uh

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cases that originated in the 70s and

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particularly

494
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the cases that are in the south um

495
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and momo the missouri monster momo short

496
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:03,919
from missouri monster

497
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and a bigfoot creature seen in the early

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70s

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around the town of louisiana missouri

500
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but uh it's one that i really wanted to

501
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include in my beyond boggy creek book

502
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but there was so much to that one

503
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and there was quite enough in the deep

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south

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that i just couldn't do it so i ended up

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making a standalone book for

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it which i've been writing over the last

508
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year and

509
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:39,440
you know i'm pretty excited about that

510
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because i always loved the momo case i

511
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read a book about it when i was a kid

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and

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just another one of those that is always

514
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fascinating

515
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:50,320
not only me i see a lot of people

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express

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their affection for momo and you know

518
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it's been

519
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uh you know it's mentioned here and

520
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there and that and the other but i think

521
00:19:02,950 --> 00:18:59,760
i've

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put together a book that encompasses

523
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,080
pretty much everything there is to

524
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,000
to know about it and you know went to

525
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the little town this summer and and did

526
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,679
some research and

527
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you know took photos of the area and all

528
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,440
that sort of stuff so

529
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yeah that should drop by early spring

530
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:19,760
next year

531
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:23,039
that's great uh do you classify momo as

532
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well yes i mean that that one's in

533
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:33,280
a more interesting case because you have

534
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:34,559
some associated

535
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:37,760
associated phenomenon of strange lights

536
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:38,240
in the

537
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and a lot of the investigators that were

538
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,960
on the scene

539
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,640
literally at the time it was going on

540
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:49,919
and there was a bunch of newspaper

541
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:50,559
coverage

542
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:53,919
they were all ufo investigators like

543
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,799
which was odd because to me if you if

544
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you just literally

545
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,360
look at the description of

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from the witnesses i mean they describe

547
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:04,880
you in an

548
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,240
upright seven two foot tall

549
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,280
you know hominid hairy man-like

550
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:13,440
creature which would obviously fit into

551
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,320
bigfoot

552
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:15,760
but because there was all this other

553
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,240
weirdness going on you know it attracted

554
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,600
the attention of

555
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,600
you know a variety of paranormal type

556
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:23,120
investigators so

557
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:26,080
um you know and that that was it's fun

558
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:26,960
because that case

559
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,159
incorporates a lot of other

560
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,960
just high strangeness as we would call

561
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,240
it yeah

562
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and so i i would i mean it's like any of

563
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,080
them i mean

564
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:41,200
it's either i don't necessarily believe

565
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:41,840
it's

566
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it was a an extraterrestrial

567
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:48,640
i mean not saying it couldn't be but

568
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there's other

569
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,520
options obviously on the table and i

570
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:53,600
sort of examine the

571
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the evidence or the corroborating

572
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,200
stories that could

573
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:59,440
back up any one of the theories that

574
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,159
people have suggested

575
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,280
so uh are you are you actually

576
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,120
including the theory that it may

577
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,120
actually be something other than an

578
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:10,960
indigenous species possibly an

579
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:16,710
well yeah i mean i don't ever try to

580
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,630
you know i just i'm trying to approach

581
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,799
it as a in a journalistic way and say

582
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:27,039
well here you know here is one of the

583
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:28,840
theories and obviously you've got these

584
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,520
associated strange lights what are we to

585
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:34,000
make of this and are they connected

586
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,320
and then just sort of lay out

587
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:41,679
you know fact from fiction essentially

588
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:42,840
and then

589
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,760
uh you know but i mean there's another i

590
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,440
mean like any of these you've always got

591
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,280
somebody comes forward and say well that

592
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,120
was you know actually that was so

593
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,600
and so he was in high school and he

594
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,880
decided

595
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,080
uh you know he was going to dress up in

596
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,520
a costume and

597
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,159
you always have that and again i have to

598
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,679
look at that and say okay well that's

599
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,679
great and and i'm not ruling out that it

600
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,960
could have been a hoax

601
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,720
but the dude would have been real busy

602
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:10,400
because there were sightings all up and

603
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:12,159
down

604
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,000
the mississippi river in this time flame

605
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,480
and you know once you start kind of

606
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,000
putting all that out there you just

607
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:21,840
immediately say well

608
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,720
you know how could a person even pull

609
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,159
this off there's too much

610
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,559
too many sightings and you know the

611
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,760
general public doesn't

612
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,159
typically know about all the sightings

613
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:34,159
because they'll read like one or two in

614
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,600
the newspaper and then that's

615
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,200
they think that was it it was two

616
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,200
sidings but there was there was much

617
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,960
more to the story and many more

618
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,080
sightings and

619
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,960
obviously a long history of bigfoot

620
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,640
sightings there in missouri and

621
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:49,679
iowa and some of the associated

622
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,960
states in which you know i usually

623
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:55,280
i obviously like to cover and include

624
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,080
whenever i

625
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,799
approach these bigfoot subjects you know

626
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,640
missouri is a strange state there's a

627
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,039
lot of activity different activity

628
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,520
i i think i kind of run the gamut as far

629
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,600
as reports that come out of missouri

630
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,760
i mean anywhere from bigfoot upright

631
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,919
canines flying beans

632
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:14,400
unknown flying beings a lot of straight

633
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,679
reptilians all kinds of strange stuff

634
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,360
i guess it's a lot like texas and

635
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,440
pennsylvania if you start

636
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:23,360
stringing along some of the uh some of

637
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,200
the weird sightings in these states

638
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:30,000
yeah absolutely and i i did see kind of

639
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:31,120
a

640
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,039
stuff done

641
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:44,080
uh at once and it was you know the

642
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,720
question is

643
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,679
are these related or is it simply just

644
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:49,520
an area where

645
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,080
you know there's multiple cryptids or

646
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,440
uh propensity for you know

647
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,559
strange things in the sky who knows but

648
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,679
yeah there was some definite

649
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,120
similarities between some of those

650
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,720
states

651
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,400
well i see that's the enigma here in

652
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,080
pennsylvania you know we got a lot of

653
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,520
different stuff

654
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,600
happening at one time and you talked

655
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:13,919
about the big foot in the ufo

656
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,760
or strange lights at the same time and

657
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,760
you know over the past several years

658
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,360
we've been getting much more of that

659
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,760
and uh you know there's been a lot of

660
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,799
other stuff to

661
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,600
you know coming up as well have you been

662
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:29,360
have you received or seen

663
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:32,880
more unusual reports than we had

664
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:36,640
previous say a decade ago i mean

665
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:46,070
uh it seems like lately i've got

666
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,159
more of a variety of creature reports

667
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:53,919
you know for a while it would be just

668
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,279
mostly bigfoot but i'd say in the last

669
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,279
especially in last year maybe last two

670
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,200
years i've been getting

671
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,919
you know bizarre looking dogs and you

672
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:05,360
know of course dog men

673
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,400
sightings and even of several reptilian

674
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:12,240
sightings and places that i hadn't

675
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,520
really

676
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,679
noted a lot of that activity like for

677
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,840
example oklahoma i got a

678
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,559
like a lizard man type report i've i

679
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,080
mean there's weird stuff

680
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:24,640
up there if you dig around but you know

681
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:25,279
i

682
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,760
heard them

683
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,480
you know you know we've gotten we've

684
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,720
gotten a lot of reports in the past year

685
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,159
from eastern oklahoma

686
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,360
especially around some of the

687
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,080
reservations and uh

688
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,039
i i would say they were mostly all

689
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,120
bigfoot like reports but there have been

690
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,679
several aggressive reports as well so

691
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,360
i don't know what's going on there all

692
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,880
of a sudden or we're just lucky enough

693
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,640
to getting these reports

694
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,320
but it seems some areas have gotten

695
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,200
really hot now you talk about reptilians

696
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,919
um your account of the bishopville

697
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,799
monster

698
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,640
it was well received i enjoyed the book

699
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,320
a lot total

700
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:11,200
you know it really got into got in deep

701
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,159
to what actually

702
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,720
happened have there been any new

703
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,799
developments since you uh published the

704
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,070
uh not a lot i mean that that's one of

705
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:23,520
those cases where it

706
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,720
did seem to be kind of isolated to a

707
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:28,559
certain time period

708
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,080
and then beyond that there just

709
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,360
wasn't a lot of credible sightings

710
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,640
so as far as bishopville and skateboard

711
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:40,240
swamp in that very specific

712
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,840
area i haven't personally gotten any

713
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,600
[Music]

714
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:48,960
recent you know lizardman reports

715
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,080
um there's been a few sort of

716
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:54,640
bizarre things that people would report

717
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,360
but

718
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,440
it was always conjecture like oh well

719
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,880
this the lizard man may have been

720
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,720
responsible for this but it's

721
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,480
that's not the same as somebody saying

722
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,320
yes i saw this

723
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:06,559
creature so i've gotten you know i've

724
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,520
gotten

725
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,000
reptilian reports because i'd written a

726
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,600
book but they are

727
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,440
you know they've been from all over like

728
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,039
mississippi and like this one from

729
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,120
oklahoma i've got some from texas

730
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:20,240
and a few other places but they weren't

731
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:20,960
they weren't in

732
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,399
bishopville now

733
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,960
go ahead i want to say they actually had

734
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,320
a bishopville

735
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,600
or a lizard man festival last year

736
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:34,559
for the first time that was that was new

737
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:34,880
and

738
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:37,840
had me out as a as a guest obviously but

739
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,240
uh

740
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,840
you know which i thought was cool i mean

741
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,440
that's a mothman festival

742
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,559
and and stuff and it was cool that the

743
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,600
you know that any of the locals would

744
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,200
sort of take

745
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,320
uh you know would take that

746
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,320
and you know try to work with it they've

747
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,679
got us they've certainly got a famous

748
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:57,200
legend and they should make the most out

749
00:28:03,029 --> 00:27:57,760
of it

750
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,039
oh i would think so yeah

751
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,159
it's a small town in south carolina and

752
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:08,320
uh that's not something that just comes

753
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,520
around all the time yeah they should

754
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,080
take advantage of it i agree with you

755
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:14,640
um can you kind of give us a thumbnail

756
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,360
sketch for

757
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:17,279
the the listeners you're not familiar

758
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,200
with the bishopville monster

759
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,480
uh yeah that that basically started in

760
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:26,320
the summer of 1988

761
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,600
and it started

762
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,320
it really all started when the lee

763
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,440
county

764
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,840
sheriff's office got a call from some

765
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,000
residents that lived out

766
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,520
right outside the small town of

767
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,120
bishopville

768
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,840
near an area called skateboard swamp and

769
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,600
they said that there they came out that

770
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:46,799
morning and their car

771
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:50,320
had been damaged and it appeared to have

772
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,720
been

773
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:53,360
damaged or literally mauled by some kind

774
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,760
of an

775
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,159
animal they saw hair and footprints and

776
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,679
all kinds of stuff and

777
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,200
you know they didn't know what to do so

778
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:01,120
the sheriff went down there and looked

779
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,080
at it and

780
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,840
it was a little bit puzzled but sure

781
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,240
enough it it looked like

782
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,520
it was some kind of an

783
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:11,760
animal if not multiple animals were

784
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,559
involved

785
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:15,200
and they identified some fox prints but

786
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:16,480
they also found these

787
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,679
larger footprints that kind of led off

788
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:20,799
into the swamp

789
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:23,840
and as the sheriff was leaving

790
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,039
some of the locals said well maybe it

791
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,640
was the lizard man

792
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,799
and the sheriff was like what do you

793
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,240
mean lizard man and

794
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,679
they said well some folks around here

795
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:35,919
have been seeing this sort of

796
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:39,200
you know thing that walks on two legs

797
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:40,640
and

798
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:43,600
looks like a person but it's it's either

799
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:44,720
green or brown

800
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,679
and it looks scaly and so of course the

801
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,120
police were like uh

802
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,679
okay they said well if anybody's seen it

803
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,919
tell them to come down and talk to us

804
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,720
well a couple

805
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,960
uh not too long like literally a couple

806
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,399
of days later

807
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,080
a young man and his father show up at

808
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:01,679
the at the

809
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:05,120
police station and this kid said i i've

810
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:06,880
got something you may want to hear

811
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,720
he said he two weeks prior he had been

812
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,679
driving

813
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,679
home from work late at night and he had

814
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,440
to pass through skateboard swamp and he

815
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,279
got a flat tire

816
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:20,240
and just as he had replaced the tire and

817
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:20,559
put

818
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,080
trunk

819
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,559
he sees something coming at him in the

820
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,600
moonlight

821
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,360
through the grass there where he was

822
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,840
parked and he said it was moving fast

823
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:33,520
and at first he thought it was a person

824
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,320
which

825
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,240
out there in the middle of nowhere and

826
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:38,880
escape or swamp is spooky enough but

827
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,000
as he got closer he could he could see

828
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,039
that the thing was

829
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,880
some kind of a creature and it was

830
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,760
he said he thought it was you know green

831
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:52,960
or scaly

832
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,000
it had long fingers uh

833
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,200
long nails and red eyes and

834
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,200
he just jumped in the car and you know

835
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:03,120
tried to get away and in the process of

836
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,080
that this thing

837
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,760
jumped on the car and was reaching in

838
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,440
and trying to grab him

839
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,559
and he managed to get away and uh

840
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,799
this was too you know this was a couple

841
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,240
weeks prior to this

842
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,279
news about the car being torn up so

843
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,120
kid just and his father they didn't know

844
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,120
what to do so they just kept quiet

845
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,960
uh but once he went down and told all

846
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:24,240
this to the

847
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,000
to the uh sheriff then

848
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,000
more people started coming forward once

849
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,679
it got run in the news and there was

850
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,279
tons of news coverage that started

851
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:35,360
coming out obviously this was a

852
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,640
sensational sounding you know account

853
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,080
where this kid had been

854
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,720
allegedly attacked by what is now being

855
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:43,919
called the lizard man

856
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,880
and more folks came forward and said

857
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,000
yeah we've seen

858
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,760
that we've seen this thing down here we

859
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,919
just didn't say anything and

860
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,760
subsequent sightings and that kind of

861
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,000
went on

862
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,679
for a good number of months and then

863
00:32:02,710 --> 00:31:59,440
there was other residual

864
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,720
sightings but it was an interesting case

865
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:04,399
because the police kind of took it

866
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,600
at least seriously enough to document

867
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,399
the witnesses and to have them come down

868
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,919
and we're just trying to get to the

869
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,919
bottom of it whether it was a lizard man

870
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,559
or

871
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,600
no what it was so it's an interesting

872
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,919
case and one obviously that's

873
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:22,399
struck my fancy because to me it was

874
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,279
sort of like this

875
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:25,120
modern-day creature from the black

876
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,399
lagoon

877
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,600
if you will you know so yeah that that's

878
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,559
the gist of it

879
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,559
there was a lot a lot of other sightings

880
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,640
and a little other weirdness that has

881
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:35,919
occurred

882
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,360
over the years down there in bishopville

883
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:42,399
yeah i suggest anyone who's listening to

884
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,600
get the book it's

885
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:46,320
it's an amazing book the uh the work you

886
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:47,519
put into it was

887
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,720
great and um yeah it's actually one of

888
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:51,919
my favorites so

889
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,279
uh i can highly recommend it

890
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:58,720
so um you know i recently interviewed

891
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,320
linda godfrey and then seth breedlove

892
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,440
in reference to the brewer beast which

893
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,120
you narrated

894
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,120
were there uh any parts of that

895
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:10,640
production

896
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:13,519
that surprised you or something you just

897
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,750
uh well you know there was some details

898
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:20,960
yes in there that

899
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:24,159
uh that i was

900
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,240
you know it was new to me um

901
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:30,960
the gentleman at the end that had been

902
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,279
uh

903
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,519
putting out some cameras and was kind of

904
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,000
diligently trying to get some proof of

905
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,960
the creature i had not heard his account

906
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:41,360
which was obviously a great that worked

907
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,320
great

908
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,679
in the documentary um and uh

909
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,320
just just some of the details i mean you

910
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,600
know read the books and so forth but to

911
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,960
hear for example the animal control

912
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,159
officer

913
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:59,360
to hear them give it in their own words

914
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,159
is always

915
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:03,279
is the cool part for me because you can

916
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:04,240
really get a good

917
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,720
feel for the credibility and and that

918
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,480
something was going on and that they

919
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,399
were being you know it was being

920
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:14,800
documented not just by linda but

921
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,159
uh some of the officials there and uh

922
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,639
so that was a you know i really liked

923
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,240
the way the movie turned out i love to

924
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,760
narrate those

925
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,159
um and it's it's been for you know it's

926
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:28,000
been a good working relationship ever

927
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,800
since we did

928
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,720
boggy creek monster where obviously i

929
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,960
was highly involved in that one but it

930
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,159
was such a good experience

931
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:37,119
that seth and i uh continued to do some

932
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,159
of these so

933
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,200
i i really like doing the narration so

934
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:43,679
i'm proud of that you plan you plan to

935
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,480
narrate in the future

936
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,320
yes i'm going to be i'll be doing the

937
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,520
next two

938
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,560
oh okay they're coming up so which

939
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,919
is terror in the skies which

940
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,440
uh will be the next one i'll be

941
00:35:01,829 --> 00:35:00,079
narrating that and then

942
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,839
next year will be the year of momo

943
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,359
because we're also doing a momo

944
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,800
documentary oh cool

945
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,920
which uh i will be narrating and

946
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:10,560
and and we've also got kind of an idea

947
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,200
about

948
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,280
putting a unique stamp on that one so

949
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:14,880
we'll probably be in it as well

950
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,480
on screen um so yeah i'm excited about

951
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,520
that

952
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,119
yeah seth and i were talking about the

953
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,000
tear in the skies and um

954
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,560
uh that kind of well the sightings i've

955
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:28,240
been investigating for the past two

956
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,720
years

957
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,880
in and around chicago are going to be

958
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,079
part of that film

959
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,720
so um i'm kind of interested in what you

960
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,079
think about that

961
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:38,000
on that flap of sightings that have been

962
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:39,280
going on

963
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,750
yeah i mean those were certainly you

964
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:50,630
interesting and one of those where it

965
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,359
wasn't just

966
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,280
one sighting they were just it seemed

967
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,119
like siding after sighting and

968
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,760
kind of you know added to the to the

969
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,760
case which

970
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,920
uh you know as we see occasionally there

971
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,200
is those that just pop

972
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,040
up and suddenly there's just a lot of

973
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,480
witnesses and

974
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:07,680
and stuff so i always thought it was

975
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,349
you know unique in that it was happening

976
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,280
in a in a larger city

977
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,440
because you know most of these cases are

978
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,440
always out in the boonies and

979
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,920
you know off man of point pleasant

980
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,520
there's it's just a little

981
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,800
town but here you had

982
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:29,119
you know the big city and you're having

983
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,560
sort of this

984
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,599
you know mothman-esque type of

985
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,160
flap of sighting so that that was

986
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,000
intriguing and if

987
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,640
you know yeah i wished i'd lived closer

988
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,920
because that would be one of the things

989
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,680
i'd love to go up there and kind of just

990
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,000
go to interview somebody or go to the

991
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,079
places where they were sighted but

992
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,119
that's more you guys yeah

993
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,359
it's uh it's you know i haven't been

994
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,040
able to get out there

995
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,720
i'm lucky enough to have a few people

996
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:58,079
that have been working with me that live

997
00:37:03,510 --> 00:36:59,440
in the area

998
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:03,520
and uh but i mean it's something that's

999
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:03,839
still

1000
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:07,040
going on i i think i believe this is

1001
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,000
something that's going

1002
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,560
to be going on for a while i mean the

1003
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:11,920
the film that

1004
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,760
seth is working on basically covers

1005
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,000
illinois and the strange flying

1006
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,440
creatures that have been seen in

1007
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,640
illinois

1008
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,960
for all for many many decades if not

1009
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,880
centuries and it's uh

1010
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:28,079
it's interesting that uh that one area

1011
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:29,119
has so many

1012
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,480
weird winged being sightings

1013
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,440
so um you know i don't know what's gonna

1014
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,440
happen but you know we're gonna

1015
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:40,720
we're gonna keep our eyes open on it

1016
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:43,839
um absolutely now

1017
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,280
uh hey

1018
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:50,000
let me ask you this have you ever had

1019
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,030
uh no i've never you know i've never

1020
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:00,160
put my eyes on anything there's been

1021
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,320
things happen that you know i can

1022
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,800
you know speculate that i could have

1023
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:08,880
been a bigfoot or what have you

1024
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,160
and um but i i've never actually seen

1025
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,200
a bigfoot or any cryptid

1026
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,079
um so it's it's one of those things you

1027
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,920
know possibly why

1028
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,520
you know i'm always sort of on this

1029
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:23,040
quest to

1030
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,240
to see something you know i've

1031
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,160
interviewed you know literally hundreds

1032
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,000
of people by now and

1033
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,480
and uh you know and i put myself in the

1034
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:31,680
places

1035
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,640
where you know people have reported

1036
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:36,880
sightings but thus far

1037
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:40,000
no luck you know i kind of joke that you

1038
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:40,400
know

1039
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,760
i just interviewed some some old lady

1040
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,480
who was scared out of her wits because

1041
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,040
she saw something while she was driving

1042
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:51,119
you know driving to work or whatever i'm

1043
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,160
like

1044
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,920
you know yeah here i'm trying to see

1045
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,359
this

1046
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,160
but however when i was younger i

1047
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,640
actually saw a ghost which

1048
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,839
comes up occasionally which you know

1049
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,400
maybe i i was doing i was kind of into

1050
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:08,000
ghost hunting when i was in high school

1051
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,880
it was a

1052
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,760
long time back but i had actually seen

1053
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,040
what i

1054
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,680
would consider it to be a ghost so maybe

1055
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,599
i maybe i sort of solved that aspect of

1056
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,119
the paranormal and now i'm chasing

1057
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:20,880
monsters

1058
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,680
well that's how i started i mean i was

1059
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,200
into

1060
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,200
early early on i mean i started back in

1061
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:29,440
the 70s but

1062
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:33,280
you know i i really didn't think much

1063
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,839
about

1064
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:35,920
cryptids until i had an encounter and

1065
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,119
that kind of uh started it all so

1066
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,160
i can understand that um

1067
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,119
yeah and and and let me say well your

1068
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,720
your encounter is one of my favorites

1069
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,400
just that whole little case there was

1070
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,520
just

1071
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,599
man i'm i've always been intrigued by

1072
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,760
that and

1073
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,200
you know when and when you experience

1074
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,800
something like that you know it

1075
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,640
can lead you down this this kind of a

1076
00:40:02,790 --> 00:39:59,839
road obviously

1077
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,800
oh yeah oh yeah it's led me to a lot of

1078
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,000
weird things

1079
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,440
i i sometimes wonder if i'm just

1080
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:10,160
attract a lot of this stuff you know i

1081
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,640
don't know

1082
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,960
you know i think some people who who

1083
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,319
have multiple

1084
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,880
encounters think that well they may feel

1085
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,240
like they're cursed somehow but then

1086
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,240
they are attracted to it

1087
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,520
or uh you know i i just felt like i

1088
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:25,359
needed to talk about it and learn more

1089
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,400
about it

1090
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,319
so it's kind of spurred me on for all

1091
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,319
these years

1092
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:33,280
um now you're you're really into the

1093
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,079
horror

1094
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,280
asp you know i guess all

1095
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,160
genres are you you've written for rue

1096
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:41,680
morg how long you've written for rue

1097
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,240
morgan

1098
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:45,599
actually i think about

1099
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,270
yeah and you've got a band by the name

1100
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:52,960
of ghoultown

1101
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,240
so you're really into the horror genre

1102
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,680
uh did that start when you were younger

1103
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,839
yeah i mean that started from the get-go

1104
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,880
like

1105
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,680
as far i mean literally as far back as i

1106
00:41:08,110 --> 00:41:07,760
can remember i can remember coming home

1107
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,120
from

1108
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,599
[Music]

1109
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:12,160
i guess it i suppose kindergarten or

1110
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,960
something but

1111
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,680
uh the the old show dark shadows was on

1112
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,680
tv oh yeah

1113
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:20,560
i can recall at the time like i couldn't

1114
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,880
even

1115
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,640
follow the plot or i didn't know what

1116
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,560
was going on all i knew is

1117
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,319
there was a vampire on it there was a

1118
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,599
werewolf there was ghosts

1119
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:30,240
and i was you know i just loved it i

1120
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,960
would

1121
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,359
you know watch all the old classic

1122
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,400
horrors that

1123
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,040
movies that they would run on you know

1124
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,119
saturday night or sunday night or sunday

1125
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,720
matinees and

1126
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,480
and that that's kind of where you know

1127
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,960
within that obviously i

1128
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,560
would see something like the legend of

1129
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,560
boggy creek yeah you saw the pat

1130
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,920
the patterson film which that always

1131
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,880
stood out to me

1132
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,680
because you know whereas i knew

1133
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,280
frankenstein was

1134
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:59,760
you know a product of a mask in a in a

1135
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:00,560
movie

1136
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,760
but then you see something like the

1137
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,680
patterson film you think

1138
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,920
now that could be real i could be out

1139
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,599
there hunting in the woods and my dad

1140
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,200
and see something like that

1141
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,599
that's a whole other level of scary to

1142
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,599
me so that

1143
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,760
i was i was kind of attracted in a way

1144
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:17,440
of it scared me

1145
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,560
and so cryptids you know were

1146
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,599
kind of just something that i i was just

1147
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,400
totally into along with any other horror

1148
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:27,119
stuff and

1149
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,150
really most everything i've ever done in

1150
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,400
my life including bands or

1151
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:39,680
writing my writing career and everything

1152
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:42,640
else has always had some aspect of

1153
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,680
i guess horror monsters or spookiness to

1154
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:47,760
it

1155
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,480
and early 80s

1156
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,520
how a lot of people really started

1157
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,560
to look into the paranormal with uh

1158
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,240
well you know it's you know it started

1159
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,359
with me with the uh

1160
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,920
the betty and barney hill case in the

1161
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,520
deduction that's what

1162
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,560
really started for me uh that

1163
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,560
fascinated the hell out of me i mean i

1164
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,760
just you know

1165
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,240
i mean people actually being abducted by

1166
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:18,480
alien beings into a spacecraft in the

1167
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:18,880
whole

1168
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:23,440
this is crazy you know and i'm i was

1169
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,240
what like

1170
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,760
10 years old when that occurred and then

1171
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:28,560
with the

1172
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,160
like you said the patterson gimmin film

1173
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,599
and then this tv shows like in search of

1174
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,720
started on

1175
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,079
you know you know you kind of uh i guess

1176
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,319
people of our generation kind of worked

1177
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,359
up that

1178
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:46,880
you know kind of progressed into it

1179
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,599
to where we are now and uh it's i mean

1180
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,760
it's literally blown up now

1181
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,240
but compared to what it used to be like

1182
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,480
you know it's funny i talked about

1183
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,480
when i used to start investigating

1184
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:00,400
paranormal events

1185
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:03,920
back uh back in the 70s

1186
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,200
and um you know it wasn't you know

1187
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:09,040
when you told somebody you were you're a

1188
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,319
ghost hunter or you're

1189
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,480
actually checking into paranormal

1190
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,720
activity at that point

1191
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,240
they kind of really looked at you like

1192
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,040
your damn nut i mean you know

1193
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,240
it was uh it was nobody did it i mean

1194
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,880
you know there are a few holzer was very

1195
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,319
well known but

1196
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,800
beyond that it it just wasn't something

1197
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,520
that

1198
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,200
someone in the neighborhood would be

1199
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,720
doing

1200
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,160
and uh but you compared to the day

1201
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:39,599
it's just entirely different

1202
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,440
yeah it is funny when you look at that

1203
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,680
you know with today's perspective you

1204
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,520
know now everybody you know

1205
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,319
everybody run across oh yeah i'm i'm

1206
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,079
into ghost hunting or i

1207
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:54,720
you know i watch you know bigfoot shows

1208
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,440
or whatever

1209
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:58,319
yeah but back then it was sort of like

1210
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,119
you know i mean

1211
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,440
in search of was a fairly successful

1212
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,880
show but i don't think

1213
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,400
people were just watching it they

1214
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,480
weren't actually hey i'm going to go in

1215
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,920
the woods and look for the honey island

1216
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:09,920
swamp monster because i saw it on there

1217
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:10,319
they

1218
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,599
of inspire people to literally go out

1219
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,520
and try it themselves and

1220
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,599
you know it's fashionable and cool to do

1221
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,040
it but

1222
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,200
you know you know back then it was

1223
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,359
people thought you're nuts and

1224
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,280
i mean i'm with you you know all that

1225
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:28,560
stuff i remember watching

1226
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,560
i guess i saw that barney and betty hill

1227
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,480
abduction i guess as part of a

1228
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,319
documentary or something

1229
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,440
way back and you know it just it just

1230
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,280
freaked me out i mean it scared me

1231
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:43,200
because i thought man what

1232
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,359
you know that just seems so uh

1233
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,640
you know frightening so that was

1234
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:53,200
the same kind of stuff that you know

1235
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,160
kind of

1236
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,839
got into me at an early age and

1237
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,079
was just fascinated with with all of it

1238
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,470
uh i got a question in the chat room um

1239
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:09,280
now this is a reference to the phallus

1240
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,839
monster

1241
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:12,160
the bigfoot in arkansas over many years

1242
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,280
these creatures have

1243
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,920
shown commonalities and staying out of

1244
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,000
sight of us such as hiding behind trees

1245
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,520
belly crawls

1246
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:22,000
staying camouflage acceptor so in your

1247
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,720
opinion

1248
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,720
why do you think the falc monster in the

1249
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,400
early 70s

1250
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,880
was so opposite in showing himself and

1251
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:31,280
displaying such aggressive behavior

1252
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,349
um you know

1253
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,560
it's kind of like um

1254
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,200
any animal i mean you know there were

1255
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:46,880
sightings that people had where it

1256
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,359
didn't

1257
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:50,400
display aggression and obviously if

1258
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,200
these if

1259
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,119
there is a real creature there and it

1260
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:55,119
had been seen all this time

1261
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,319
there would have to be a small

1262
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,720
population of them and like any animals

1263
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,640
you could have individuals within that

1264
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,200
that were just simply

1265
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,319
bad apples they were aggressive or

1266
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,000
they felt threatened in some way and uh

1267
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,400
like the fort house you know they had a

1268
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:13,920
little dog in there

1269
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,760
and you know we've we've seen cases

1270
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,720
where

1271
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:22,160
uh bigfoot-like creatures have you know

1272
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:25,599
allegedly killed canines or gone after

1273
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,000
them

1274
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,079
or you know gone after livestock and so

1275
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,079
forth so it's possible that

1276
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,319
uh whatever this thing was was attracted

1277
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,079
to that dog

1278
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,119
and you know these where that ford house

1279
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,440
was it's literally was

1280
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,640
basically in the woods and you know that

1281
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,440
that's just an animal in the woods and

1282
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:46,960
perhaps

1283
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,000
you know that particular creature was

1284
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,160
willing to be seen more or be aggressive

1285
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,680
which probably is not a good idea

1286
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,359
because they usually end up getting shot

1287
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:00,240
at when you do that down here but

1288
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,280
but uh but you know

1289
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,280
the legend of boggy creek of course

1290
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,520
played up the

1291
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,440
the aggressive aspect of the creature

1292
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,200
because it worked well in the film

1293
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,480
but if you if you review

1294
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,680
like if you read my book which covers

1295
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,400
so many more sightings that were not

1296
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,000
included in the

1297
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,160
movie or probably not even meant known

1298
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:25,920
publicly at the time

1299
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:28,480
you see that like any of these bigfoot

1300
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,040
cases

1301
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,119
they were seen here and there by hunters

1302
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,359
and running across the road by

1303
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,240
even one of the law enforcement officers

1304
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,000
saw it dart across the road but it

1305
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,559
didn't you know try to attack him or

1306
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,640
or anything like that so you had a lot

1307
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,920
of just

1308
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,280
brief and and quick sightings

1309
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,520
intermixed with the occasional

1310
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,119
aggressive

1311
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,760
behavior which could have been you know

1312
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,440
from one particular

1313
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,480
individual i suppose

1314
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,880
yeah i mean we very rarely get reports

1315
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:02,240
and i'm quite sure it's the same with

1316
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:02,559
you

1317
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,680
of aggression with these animals

1318
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,880
unless the circumstance and

1319
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,960
and i think a lot of it has to do with

1320
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,880
when they hunt for game

1321
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,760
someone may interrupt a hunt or

1322
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:17,440
something like that

1323
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,800
and they tend to lash out but nothing to

1324
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,160
the point where

1325
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:25,119
they actually attack and hurt somebody

1326
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,599
but

1327
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,520
um i think that's i think that's

1328
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,240
probably one of the main reasons why

1329
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,280
people you know sense that there's some

1330
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,160
type of aggression

1331
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,200
right right it's you know i've seen that

1332
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,440
too there was a case in oklahoma back in

1333
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,400
2000 known as the siege of honaby

1334
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,119
where this family was kind of being

1335
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,200
assaulted by

1336
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,640
what they perceived as a group of

1337
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,119
bigfoot and

1338
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,440
coincidentally or perhaps they were they

1339
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:57,680
were storing venison

1340
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:00,800
in this uh outdoor

1341
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,920
refrigerator and

1342
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,720
once they ended up removing that source

1343
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,760
of food

1344
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:10,960
it sort of the sightings dissipated so

1345
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,800
you know it's like any animal you can

1346
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,319
99.9 percent of time you see a bear in

1347
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,680
the wild

1348
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,280
it just sort of goes the other way it

1349
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,559
doesn't want to have anything to do with

1350
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,000
you but if you were to

1351
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:25,599
get in in between perhaps it's cubs

1352
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:29,200
or if it was uh

1353
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,720
hungry or at least agitated that's when

1354
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:35,920
all of a sudden there's this sort of

1355
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,040
unexpected you know in

1356
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,760
display of aggression so we you know if

1357
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:43,760
bigfoot are

1358
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,440
uh you know likewise

1359
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,359
then certainly there could be those

1360
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,520
incidents when you encounter them at the

1361
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,359
wrong time or you've

1362
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,599
interrupted their game supply or you've

1363
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,520
got some food source in which they're

1364
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,800
going to be aggressive

1365
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,680
um yeah that that case you mentioned was

1366
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:02,880
down to the floor

1367
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:06,240
county oklahoma and in fact we've got a

1368
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:07,119
case

1369
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:10,880
there now on the uh

1370
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:14,720
on big creek apparently the

1371
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:17,920
from the witness he had was uh

1372
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:21,520
in a canoe and

1373
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,400
this large bigfoot through was throwing

1374
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,119
big dirt clots and stuff at him

1375
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,200
and it's happened on several occasions

1376
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,520
so we have people going down there now

1377
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:34,559
unfortunately it's on the

1378
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,240
its own reservation lane and

1379
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,480
we're having trouble getting permission

1380
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,319
to actually go in the land itself

1381
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,599
so i don't know i i i hope something

1382
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,119
comes of that but

1383
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,960
there have been a lot of reports down

1384
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,800
there and that you know this

1385
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:53,040
is uh you know oklahoma is well known

1386
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:53,839
for a lot of these

1387
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,030
yeah that's that's one of those that

1388
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,960
would probably surprise a lot of people

1389
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,680
that

1390
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,880
encounters and

1391
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,960
uh you know they they're primarily in

1392
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,800
the eastern portion where you have a lot

1393
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,599
of

1394
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,760
hills and mountains like ouachita

1395
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,440
mountains which

1396
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:16,079
the caiamichis where honeybee is is a

1397
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:16,720
part of that

1398
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,000
and all that area just uh

1399
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:22,160
just a ton of bigfoot sightings i mean i

1400
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:23,440
could go up there

1401
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:26,480
and you know throw a rock at somebody

1402
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,440
and they probably

1403
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,559
had an encounter it's it's

1404
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,079
it's crazy when you drive up through

1405
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,160
those hills too it's it's almost like

1406
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:36,400
willow creek because you see

1407
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,079
bigfoot bookstores you see cutouts of

1408
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:41,599
bigfoot

1409
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:44,240
it's just crazy and you're like this is

1410
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,599
oklahoma like that's right

1411
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:50,640
who would ever thought bigfoot is so big

1412
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,119
but

1413
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,079
then it's it's a hotbed yeah there are

1414
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:55,920
there are a lot of sayings a lot of

1415
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,640
stories have been coming out of there

1416
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,359
so how's the band doing i mean i i i

1417
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,960
know that you've been involved you've

1418
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,040
been cutting more uh

1419
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:08,640
more recordings and that you've actually

1420
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,839
have been uh doing music for films as

1421
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,040
well

1422
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,160
uh yeah the band you know it

1423
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,480
it's it became some something of a

1424
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,079
juggling act because

1425
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,160
when i wrote the book i literally just

1426
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:26,000
took a break from the band just to write

1427
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:26,400
that

1428
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:30,240
beast of thing just because i wanted to

1429
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,760
and uh i didn't realize that would turn

1430
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,280
into something

1431
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,319
you know to this magnitude but

1432
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,839
and i have a good time wrong these books

1433
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,079
and investigating all this stuff and

1434
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,800
you know doing the film so but the band

1435
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:45,839
has a

1436
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,160
a good fan base and we you know we've

1437
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,119
tried to put out an album every three or

1438
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,800
four years and

1439
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,359
we play you know we just play big shows

1440
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,119
now we used to i used to i

1441
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:01,040
spent most of my life in a band so i

1442
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,480
toured and toured and

1443
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,280
i was kind of tired of that but we did

1444
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,200
some shows in the uk

1445
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:10,400
uh last year which were great and you

1446
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,839
know we just kind of do

1447
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,000
festivals and bigger shows and just do

1448
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,760
what we can

1449
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,480
but it's certainly i don't know and i

1450
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,400
think in some ways when i got on tv

1451
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,040
shows and stuff it exposed a whole

1452
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,640
new batch of people to the band that

1453
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,720
probably would have never heard of it

1454
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,680
um you know so that that kind of helped

1455
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:32,319
the popularity just to bring in some

1456
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,680
some additional uh fans that

1457
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,240
you know liked it they just probably

1458
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:39,839
wouldn't have come across their radar

1459
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:40,559
we're not

1460
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,799
you know not the the radio hit kind of

1461
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,000
genre so uh that that's been

1462
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,599
you know that's been a good thing is to

1463
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,280
kind of

1464
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,359
you know put these two things together

1465
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,880
but i still do the music and i still

1466
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,200
like the music so it's sort of like

1467
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,880
one of the one of them's a day job but

1468
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,040
one of them's a night job i'm not sure

1469
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,920
which is which yeah i guess it can get

1470
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,440
confusing sometimes

1471
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,960
but you know that's right it can't hurt

1472
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,559
when the lead singers uh

1473
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:11,599
on tv a lot so i

1474
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,280
i guess that's one advantage to it

1475
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,599
yeah absolutely so you know it's all

1476
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,119
worked it's worked well

1477
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,799
you know and it kind of like i said i

1478
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:22,720
was kind of the point where

1479
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,160
i you know i didn't want a tour

1480
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:29,040
so much anymore um you know got a family

1481
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,079
and

1482
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:33,359
you know that that's all great

1483
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,280
but there comes a time when you know

1484
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,799
it just came at the right time because

1485
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,319
the cryptid stuff you know i do a lot of

1486
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,839
events and stuff but i'm not

1487
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,920
you know i can kind of go do them on the

1488
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,920
weekend or fly there and fly back i'm

1489
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,559
not

1490
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,079
bringing an entourage of of band and

1491
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,240
stage managers and

1492
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,200
equipment and the whole deal that's that

1493
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,359
gets uh

1494
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,200
unless your kiss and you can just show

1495
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:02,400
up and play or whatever

1496
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,589
so um how can people get a hold of you

1497
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,079
get your books i i know you've got the

1498
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,000
the new book coming up

1499
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:15,920
and what other things have been going

1500
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:18,079
are going to happen

1501
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,119
for lyle blackburn in uh 2019

1502
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:25,839
well it looks like it's shaping up for a

1503
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,720
busy year again

1504
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:31,119
with the momo book coming out and then

1505
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,640
i've got

1506
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,520
various appearances all over scheduled

1507
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:36,880
all through the spring

1508
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,880
um i'm also working with

1509
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:43,119
pamela pierce which is the daughter of

1510
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,400
charles b pierce the

1511
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:47,040
director of the legend of boggy creek

1512
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,640
and he's been working

1513
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:51,680
to we found a print

1514
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,200
of the movie and are restoring it in 4k

1515
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,440
for a release on blu-ray we're going to

1516
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,640
do some premieres of the movie

1517
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,480
starting in texas or canada next summer

1518
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,200
and then around various spots

1519
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,599
the restored film looks just absolutely

1520
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,440
amazing and

1521
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,359
so i've been working with her on that in

1522
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,599
addition everything else

1523
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:16,000
you know doing the movies next year with

1524
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:17,200
seth

1525
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:20,960
um and some band shows so yeah i mean

1526
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,319
pretty much got my life planned um and

1527
00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:27,520
yeah people want to uh check out uh

1528
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,720
what i got going on just go to

1529
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:30,880
lyleblackburn.com

1530
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,079
lyle blackburn dot com and

1531
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,640
that's got links to everything my books

1532
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,839
you can buy them

1533
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,079
from my online store or you can get them

1534
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,200
from amazon barnes noble

1535
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:45,839
ebook on itunes the whole the whole

1536
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:46,480
thing

1537
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,520
whatever your taste is and google down

1538
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,240
music is available everywhere finer

1539
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:54,240
music is sold such as itunes

1540
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,480
and uh amazon and band camp or wherever

1541
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:01,359
you'd like to purchase it so

1542
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,200
that pretty much uh is the gist

1543
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,359
well maybe you and i will hook up one

1544
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,520
day you know we've talked for years and

1545
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,640
that we've never met

1546
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,040
but i look forward to the day where we

1547
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:15,040
can kind of sit down and talk about

1548
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,319
things

1549
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,599
and uh i look forward to your new book

1550
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,280
i'm definitely going to get it

1551
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:23,680
and maybe i can have you on after that

1552
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,720
is published as well

1553
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,400
yeah absolutely we'll do that yeah

1554
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,000
hopefully we can meet up that's been one

1555
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:31,680
of the pleasures in

1556
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,200
doing this is you know there's

1557
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,240
you guys like yourself that eventually

1558
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,160
you do some events or i get in your

1559
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,799
area or what have you get to hang out so

1560
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,000
i look forward to that

1561
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:46,480
i do as well so lyle thanks for joining

1562
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,200
me

1563
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:49,119
you have a good evening and we'll talk

1564
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:50,240
soon

1565
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,079
you bet thanks so much take care

1566
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,839
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1572
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,720
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1573
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,640
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1574
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,040
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1575
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,200
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1576
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,280
for joining me this evening

1577
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:27,359
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1578
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:28,400
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1579
00:59:39,490 --> 01:00:12,829
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1580
01:00:12,839 --> 01:00:17,190
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